9 November 2019
SIRENA MOG DETINJSTVA – Dokumentarna emisija (međunarodni projekat Raised to Be Free)
9 November 2019


INTRODUCTION: We wake up just before nine in the morning. When the bell rings, we go and have breakfast. After breakfast, we have an assembly where we learn about our activities for that day. We also have a blah-blah drum.

I don’t know how it was established, but I know that its purpose was to allow children to have fun.

Personally, I’m very happy to be able to meet new people. I hone my social skills by meeting them.

A break away from home. Yes. From those four walls you look at each day. (That we can play.) Mostly this, yes. A sort of holiday from your family. You go to the coast by yourself. Yes. A break.

I can say the same, basically. People here are better than those in my school.

A pleasant summer resort where we keep returning. This is my fourth year in a row now. I’m enjoying my friends’ company a lot.

Yes, I really want to go there. I say that to my mum each time she asks me whether I’d like to go.

It means a lot to me, especially because some children can’t afford holidays at the coast.

It’s great because people are not on their mobiles all the time. You can really hang out with other people.

Well, we watch cartoons or movies or have improvisation sketches. I enjoyed that a lot. Yes, things like that. Or else we go to Piran or Portorož.

KLEMEN: Summers of Certain Childhoods: A Story about the Pacug Children’s Resort is a radio documentary programme. I was born in the Socialist Republic of Slovenia, one of the six republics of the Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia. In a country that doesn’t exist anymore. After the 1948 Cominform with a dispute between Tito and Stalin, Yugoslavia started its own socialist journey. The country was a non-aligned zone between East and West. That’s why this form of socialism was unique, different and much more open. Today, socialism is perceived as a pre-form of communism, and as one of the forms of totalitarian regimes. However, this system had, the same as all systems do, its bright and very humane sides as well. My memories of my childhood in the so-called former system are incredibly beautiful. But my childhood was – all the way up to my teenage years – intrinsically connected with a very special seaside resort. Holidaying in Pacug, a tiny bay and part of a very short Slovene coast, which spans only 40 kilometres between the Bay of Trieste and the Bay of Piran, was part of my summers six years in a row, too. I chose it for this radio documentary story as an example of good socialist practice. The resort was established by the Slovene Federation of Friends for Children and Youth – another example of good socialist practice – with the aim of providing children financially favourable and well organised summer holidays. It has been proven that

the sea and in the company of peers have a beneficial impact on a child’s psychological and social development. And it is maybe even more important today than it used to be. The Pacug Children’s Resort is a resort with all the corresponding infrastructure, organised transport, educational and medical care and five meals a day. Holidaying can be either seven or ten days long and is organised for children and teenagers up to 17 years of age. It has stayed financially favourable even today, in this capitalist democracy, and doesn’t differentiate children socially, the same as it was during the socialist era. I shall tell the story of the Pacug Children’s Resort with the help of Darja and Urška from the Slovene Federation of Friends for Children and Youth, while teachers Liza and Nejc, Flores, Armin and other children were conversing with me amongst the sounds of cicadas, wind in the treetops and the lapping of the sea.

DARJA: The Slovene Federation of Friends for Children and Youth is an umbrella organisation, uniting

115 associations across Slovenia. This organisation and its numerous associations were established in 1953. To be precise, some associations and activities had existed even before, including summer camps. In the aftermath of World War 2, adults felt a huge need to allow for safe and healthy holidaying at the coast for children, as they were aware of how healthy and important this was for children. The Federation of Friends for Children and Youth started to organise summer camps very early on, already back in the 1950s. The greatest number of children holidaying in the summer camps was recorded in 1959, when no less than 35,000 spent some time there. But it needs to be stressed that children were much more in focus during socialist times than they are today. Much more attention was given to their growth and development, and much more means were allocated for such programmes and summer camps. The situation is very different today. If our organisation had 45 holiday homes both in Slovenia and Croatia in 1980, we have only 15 today. But luckily, they still exist, and holidaying is organised on the same principles as it was back in the 1950s. It is also very important that the children are looked after by people who simply love children.

LIZA: Well, I spent seven summer holidays here as a child. I was here at the same time of the year. My only goal was to return as soon as possible. Nejc, Urša and other teachers were already here when I was staying here as a child. Some other teachers were here when I came here as a teacher for the first time. Pacug has always meant a lot to me, I’ve always found good company here. Even when we weren’t on the same page in school or at home. I can’t express it in words how much Pacug means to me. It has always been my goal to be able to share my experiences and memories with children today. To give back to as many of them as I can, to provide the best holidays I can to as many children as possible. My girls here… Some of them are already in secondary school. They asked if they could spend two weeks here next time. Or a whole month. Or the entire summer, if possible. They really do enjoy themselves. (So…)

URŠKA: In 1964, the Firefighters Federation of Slovenia decided to sell their summer resort in Pacug. A small board from our Federation held a meeting. They all agreed that this presented an opportunity they had to take. The Slovene coast is short and extremely valuable. It seemed very important to us that our children stay on our coast. So, our Federation decided very quickly to buy the resort.

DARJA: Children truly are our wealth. This isn’t just some obsolete socialist slogan. This slogan should be kept alive in current times, too. Young people represent the foundations of the world. The way we raise them defines the way of our lives, the lives of elderly people and adults pan out. Hence, we need to offer young people a lot of activities – they need to feel that they can develop their interests and potential. Only then can they become useful and full members of our society. Then they can become responsible adults. If they don’t have such opportunities,

their opportunities in their adult life will be stunted significantly. And this is the essence of the activities of our organisation. We want to prioritise a child, focus on him/her. It is important what we can offer him/her, what kind of life, what kind of possibilities. I think that our organisation is closing the social gap which has widened in our new country. Which we are very happy to live in, but we have forgotten the good sides of socialism. To enable equal opportunities to all children. In their adult lives, their paths will inevitably go in different directions, but it is only right to allow them to begin on an equal footing.

FLORES: Pacug is like an inner child to me. (ARMIN: Yes.) When you come here, you can really be yourself. You cannot hide, you cannot be tense or sleep-deprived, as in school. If you are sleep- deprived, you have good reasons for that. I don’t know, when I come here, I always wonder what is going to happen this year. It’s never the same, you never get tired of this. Even… I’m 17, you’ll turn 18 soon. (ARMIN: Yes.) And we are still here. I am coming here for eight or nine years now. (ARMIN: And I six). Once I even came here with a different group. (ARMIN: Not me, I’m in the fifth group all the time). Yes. (ARMIN: But… Yes). You form a second family here.

ARMIN: Here you forget everything that happened at home, in school. Everything starts anew here.

Sort of.

URŠKA: When we bought this resort, the land was terraced all the way down to the sea. There was one brick house with a small kitchen and bathrooms in it. And there was a shed next to it. Supposedly for a donkey used for transporting food to the resort, since there was no access road leading to the resort. The children stayed in big tents. There were 13 tents and the groups of children changed every fortnight. Back then, all the children stayed here for two weeks. Our Federation of course tried to improve the living conditions available and kept investing into the resort. First, we changed the tents for wooden cabins, and then we built brick houses. We were gradually upgrading the resort to the level that it is today.

NEJC: School is school. The classes are put together through the choices of someone else, not of their own making. It’s the same here, but the environment is completely different. And we can offer them much more here than in the school environment. I don’t know how to describe this properly, really.

LIZA: Well, it’s a change of environment.

NEJC: It’s a complex matter. (LIZA: Yes) The change seems minor, it’s only a change of environment, but it has a huge impact. (LIZA: Yes.)

LIZA: In school, small groups of children and the pecking order in the class are often formed in the first year or in the first few years. When a child comes here, to Pacug, he/she finds himself/herself amongst an unknown group of people, he/she meets everyone anew and can introduce himself/herself to others as a completely different person. We see that the children are more relaxed, come more out of their shells here. Because they are not forced to play the roles they took on in the first school year in their class. For example, someone automatically took the role of a leader, but he/she can be more laid-back here. Or vice-versa. I was like that, for example. In school, I kept mostly to myself, while here I was really outgoing, I think.

DARJA: Every child has the right to equal opportunities in order to develop. Our money driven consumer society often forgets this. We have adopted free-market thinking. In my opinion, school could do much more than it does now. Not many schools offer free-of-charge after- school activities. When these activities cease to be free-of-charge, this immediately raises the

question whether a family can afford to pay for their child to attend. This is again something that used to be organised much better during socialist times. Now, the situation is different, unfortunately. This has damaging consequences, and in addition stratifies society. This has a negative effect for all generations growing up now, and for us, adults.

URŠKA: On top of all this, the children are sort of obliged to show empathy. This is another thing partly pushed into the annals of obscurity. It’s hasn’t completely disappeared, and we try to encourage it. We organise workshops where children talk, debate. This is undoubtedly something that gives them strength for the future. They learn how to accept others, how to accept different people. How to fit into a group, make new friendships. These friendships often remain. Or they fall in love. There are certain values developed here. Children need to interact a lot, too. In recent years, we notice that they come from environments with physical and psychological abuse. The children are not even aware of that. But when this surfaces here, in our resort, other children realise that the situation is not so simple. I always say that there is a story behind every behaviour. A child only shows through his/her behaviour what is really happening to him/her. It’s not his/her fault not to be able to react differently. During their stay here, there will always be a moment when other children say ‘Hey, this isn’t right, let’s try a different approach.’ I think that holidaymaking here can really give a person some sort of foundation for life. It’s a good experience. Not that it would enable you to get a job, of course. But it builds the foundations for a good quality of life.

FLORES: I don’t get along with my schoolmates basically, because I see them every day. It’s completely different here. There are some people here I know from the first time of my holidaymaking here. Even if we don’t talk or hang out the entire year, due to… (ARMIN: School, trainings…) Or age difference. When I come here, I feel as if I spent time with them every day or… (ARMIN: Yes). They understand me.

URŠKA: They all have equal opportunities here. Regardless of their environment at home. The price is the same for everyone. Everyone gets the same offer. Everyone has the same opportunities. We’ll definitely attempt to keep the same conditions going forward. It’s not important to make a profit. We just want to make enough to keep the resort going, to be able to improve the quality of holidaymaking here. This is our financial plan and that’s why the price hasn’t changed for many years now. Even though everyone else in Slovenia increased their prices. We have kept the same price. We’ll try to keep it for as long as we can. We hope that this will remain so for a long time.

DARJA: We of course raise funds through our campaign called ‘A Wink to the Sun’. We were able to provide free-of-charge seaside holidays for almost ten thousand children over the last 20 years. This is an impressive number, I think. I must mention the so-called medical holidaymaking, that is state-funded holidaymaking. I need to say that the state could be more accommodating in this respect and enable children to go to the seaside for preventative reasons, too. It would be very beneficial and by so doing, the state would prove that it cares for children. We won’t cease pursuing this goal. We hope that the state would lend us a more favourable ear at least.

URŠKA: I’d say that we need to take the best from each system and then preserve that. The Federation itself was a grassroots movement all those years ago. We need to preserve this. We are those who make sure that the children have a good time. We keep alive those parts that were good, and because of this it sometimes feels as if we were an islet in the sea, completely by itself, although we are on the mainland. We are surrounded by a beautiful environment. And it really feels sometimes, as if we were frozen in time. Maybe because we’ve set our goals very clearly.

We focus on the quality of the children’s spare time. People sometimes forget about the most important aspects: conversation, play, interaction between the children or between a teacher and a child. These are the things… Yes, this is the essence of us being frozen in time. I think this is something that we kept from the socialist era, and this is the main thing we need to keep going. Definitely.

LIZA: I agree. Just a few days ago, us teachers had a conversation… And I told the others that… When I was little, a had a lot of psychological issues and even had suicidal thoughts. For several years, I kept saying to myself ‘You only need to hang on until you get to Pacug. Only until you get to Pacug.’ We counted down the days separating us from our stay at Pacug. I’m glad that this place gave me so much, until my last year as an underage person here. That I didn’t need to count down the days separating me from Pacug. Although I’m still here as much as I can. And I hope to stay here for a long time in the future. The same as Nejc. I think that it means a lot to the children too, to be able to be here and hang out with other children, to meet new people and do different things. They are involved in other activities and this distracts them from other things in their lives. And they get the opportunity to connect with others, to come out of their shells, to relieve themselves from the things that may burden them otherwise.

URŠKA: The Federation will certainly keep striving to keep the Pacug resort for children indefinitely. It’s just a tiny part of the coast. We are rather happy that we are so removed from everything, because this allows us to offer children all these opportunities. We’ll certainly try our best to keep this resort open for them for a long time into the future. I hope a long time after I’m gone. But on the other hand, the Slovene coast is small, while some appetites are big. Nevertheless, we defend this resort with everything we have.

ARMIN: Well, Pacug is… It’s like… You’re in school all year and when the summer holidays start, you simply wait for these ten days (FLORES: Yes.) in Pacug. We have some school outings as well, but it’s not the same as these ten days when we hang out together all the time. This is simply… Shit. (FLORES: Yes, it’s our last year.) Yes.

KLEMEN: The Pacug Children’s Resort, with its narrow and very steep access road which the children still need to walk by foot from the main road, since it is too steep for a bus, is kept frozen in time and space. It is safely nestled in the wedge of the cliffs, and as a rebel with a cause defies the changes of social systems. And it’s only right that it does so. Some things must never change. Since they are simply there for the greater good and too valuable to be lost. All those summers of this resort and its carefree childhoods that have already passed or are still to come, will remain on this coast in parallel worlds, through indelible memories and on some long- forgotten postcards from the summer camps.

NEJC: This is the great legacy of the former system. (LIZA: Yes, truly!) If I had to choose one field when they didn’t make a mistake, I’d certainly choose this one.

KLEMEN: Radio Slovenija.


INTRO: Se prav zjutraj, okoli devetih, mal prej, se zbudimo. Ko je zvonec gremo na zajtrk. Po zajtrku je potem zbor. Na zboru se pove, kaj se bo delalo čez dan. Mamo tudi bla bla boben …

Jaz načeloma ne vem kako je nastal ampak vem, da je to bilo z namenom, da se otroci zabavajo.

Meni osebno je zelo v redu, da lahko spoznavam nove ljudi. Ja, pa v bistvu s tem tudi v bistvu brusim moje socialne sposobnosti.

Nek pobeg od doma. Ja. Od tistih štirih sten, ki jih gledaš vsak dan. Da se lahko igramo. Predvsem to, ja. Kakor en dopust od družine. Tako, sam greš na morje. Ja. Oddih.

Ja, jaz isto, pač, ja sej v bistvu so zame tukaj boljši ljudje kot v šoli. Prijetno letovišče v katerega se tudi vračamo, štiri leta jaz.

Mi je tko ful hudo, ko sem s prijatelji.

Pač, ful si želim it tja, vsakič, ko mami vpraša, če si želim, pa, ja. Velik, zato ker kakšni sploh ne morejo it na morje.

Ja, pač, lepo je, ker niso vsi skoz na telefonih. Pač, se lahko realno družiš.

… Pa, ali gledamo risanke ali pa filme ali imamo pa impro ligo, kar se tudi meni zdelo ful zabavno, no… In, ja nekaj takega. Aja, pa v Piran pa v Portorož gremo tudi kakšne dni.

KLEMEN: Poletja nekih otroštev – Zgodba o Otroškem letovišču Pacug; Radijski dokumentarec. Rodil sem se v Socialistični republiki Sloveniji, eni od šestih republik Socialistične federativne republike Jugoslavije. V državi, ki je danes ni več. Po informbiroju leta 1948 oziroma sporu Tita in Stalina, je Jugoslavija ubrala svojo pot socializma. Bila je neuvrščena cona med vzhodom in zahodom. Prav zato je bila ta oblika socializma čisto samosvoja, drugačna in bistveno bolj odprta. Danes sicer velja socializem kot nekakšna pred oblika komunizma za enega od totalitarnih režimov. Pa vendar je poleg mračne, kot vsak sistem, tudi ta imel svojo svetlo in nadvse človeško plat. Moji spomini na otroštvo v t. i. prejšnjem sistemu so izjemno lepi. Je pa bilo moje otroštvo vse do najstništva neločljivo povezano tudi s posebnim obmorskim letoviščem. Pacug, neznaten zaliv na majhni slovenski obali, ki danes vsega skupaj obsega le 40 kilometrov med Tržaškim in Piranskim zalivom, je bil šest zaporednih let tudi del mojih poletij. Za to radijsko dokumentarno zgodbo sem ga z namenom izbral kot enega primerov dobre prakse socializma, ki s svojim preprostim samo dobrim za otroka enostavno neomejeno preči sisteme. Gre za letovišče, ki ga je Zveza prijateljev mladine Slovenije, še en primer dobre prakse socializma, ustanovila z namenom, da bi otroci imeli možnost finančno ugodnega in skrbno organiziranega letovanja. Pomen morja za otrokovo zdravje in druženja s sovrstniki za njegov psiho-socialni razvoj je namreč dokazano koristen. In danes, morda še bolj kot včeraj, nadvse pomemben. Otroško letovišče Pacug je torej letovišče z vso letoviško infrastrukturo, organiziranim prevozom, pedagoškim in zdravstvenim varstvom in prehrano s petimi obroki na dan. Letovanja potekajo v več izmenah; tedenskih in deset dnevnih. Namenjen pa je otrokom in mladim odraslim do 17. leta starosti. Tako kot v socializmu, tudi v kapitalistični demokraciji

še vedno ostaja finančno dostopen in med otroki ne dela socialnih razlik. Zgodbo o Otroškem letovišču Pacug in poletjih nekih otroštev mi bodo pomagali povedati Darja in Urška z Zveze prijateljev mladine Slovenije, med škržati, vetrom v krošnjah in valovanjem morja pa vzgojitelja Liza in Nejc in Flores, Armin in ostali otroci.

DARJA: Zveza prijateljev mladine Slovenije je krovna organizacija, ki pod svojo streho združuje ta hip 115 društev in zvez po celi Sloveniji. Ta organizacija in tudi številna društva je nastala leta 1953. No, res je, da so nekatera društva in aktivnosti obstajala že prej, tudi kar zadeva letovanja. Kajti takoj po 2. svetovni vojni so občutili veliko potrebo, da otrokom, da mladim rodovom nekako omogočijo varno, zdravo preživljanje počitnic na morju, ker so dobro vedeli, da je to zelo zdravo za otroke in zelo pomembno iz več razlogov. Tako, da je Zveza prijateljev mladine organizacija, ki je zelo hitro, v petdesetih letih pravzaprav v celoti prevzela organizacijo kolonij, kot temu rečemo. Največ otrok je letovalo leta 1959, kar 35000. Res pa, da v času socializma so otroka, kot takega, mnogo bolj postavljali v ospredje, kot ga postavljamo danes. Veliko bolj so skrbeli za njegov razvoj in veliko več sredstev je bilo namenjenih programom in tudi samim kolonijam. Danes je to zelo drugače. Če smo še leta 1980 imeli v okviru naše organizacije 45 počitniških domov, ne samo v Sloveniji ampak tudi na Hrvaškem, jih imamo danes samo še 15. Ampak, k sreči, vendarle obstajajo in še vedno pravzaprav po enakih načelih organiziramo letovanja. Kot smo jih organizirali v petdesetih. Pomembno pa je tudi, da se z otroki ukvarjajo tisti, ki imajo otroke preprosto radi.

LIZA: Ja, no, jaz sem pa tudi tukaj hodila ene sedem let kot otrok. Tudi prav v to izmeno. In mi je bil samo cilj čim prej se vrnit. Tudi Nejc, Urša, tudi drugi vzgojitelji so bili tukaj, ko sem bila jaz kot otrok. In zdaj so tudi že eni drugi vzgojitelji, ko sem bili tukaj, ko sem bila jaz prvič vzgojiteljica. In meni je bilo res, čim prej nazaj. Pacug mi je zmerja veliko pomenil, zmeraj sem imela dobro družbo. Tudi, ko se v šoli ali pa kje drugje nismo najboljše razumeli ali pa doma… Pač, meni nič ne more priti do tega kako meni pomeni Pacug. Meni je bil to ful cilj in mi je še zdaj, da vračam to, kar so meni dali takrat, da dam to pač naprej, ne. In, da dam to čim več otrokom. In, da naredim čim boljše počitnice za res čim več otrok. Te moje punce, zdajle, pa so že v srednji šoli ene, so rekle, ali bi lahko naslednjič bile pa štirinajst dni. Ali pa mogoče celo en mesec. Ali pa kar celo poletje, če bi se dalo. Se majo res fajn. Tko, no.

URŠKA: Leta 1964 se je Gasilska zveza Slovenije odločila, da bo prodala svoje letovišče Pacug. Takrat je pač pri nas zasedal en manjši odbor. Nekako so se strinjali, da pa je to res priložnost, ki jo moramo prijeti. Slovenska obala je kratka, izredno dragocena in se nam je zdelo zelo pomembno, da pač otroci ostanejo na naši obali. Tako, da se je Zveza kar na hitro odločila za nakup letovišča.

DARJA: Otroci so res naše bogastvo. Pa to ni neki preživeti socialistični slogan. Ta slogan bi moral veljati tudi za današnji čas. Na mladih svet stoji. In tako, kot bomo vzgajali mlade, tako bomo živeli tudi starejši oziroma odrasli. Zato jim moramo ponuditi veliko aktivnosti, morajo se počutiti, morajo imeti občutek, da razvijajo svoje interese in svoje potenciale kajti le tako bodo, ne samo koristni ampak polnopravni člani naše družbe. In takšni odrasli bodo tudi postali. Če ne bodo imeli teh možnosti, so njihove možnosti v življenju, ko bodo odrasli, močno okrnjene. In to je smisel delovanja tudi naše organizacije. Postaviti otroka na prvo stran, v ospredje. Pomembno je, kaj mu ponujamo, kakšno življenje, kakšne možnosti. In mislim, da naša organizacija gladi socialne razlike, ki smo jim priča seveda v tem času nove države, ki smo jo seveda vsi veseli, ampak pozabili pa smo na tiste dobre lastnosti, ki jih je socializem imel. Naj imajo otroci vsi enake možnosti. Saj bodo v času odraslosti ubirali različne poti, ampak izhodiščne možnosti pa je prav, da imajo enake.

FLORES: Mislim, Pacug, meni to pomeni nek notranji otrok, no. ARMIN: Ja. Ko prideš sem in si v bistvu dejansko ti. Ne moreš se skrivat, ne moreš bit skoz tako, kot v šoli, ves zategnjen, neprespan, karkoli. Če si tukaj neprespan, imaš dobre razloge za to. Ne vem, vsako leto, ko pridem sem, zmeraj čakam tko, kaj se bo zgodilo. Nikoli ni isto, nikoli se ne naveličaš. Tudi, jaz sem 17, ti boš zdajle 18, ARMIN: Ja., in sva še zmeraj tukaj. Pač, ja, jaz hodim že tko osem, devet let, ARMIN: jaz pa šest, ja. Jaz sem celo menjala izmeno vmes, ARMIN: jaz pa ne, jaz sem bil skoz v tej, letošnji peti, ja. ARMIN: Sam, ja… Mislim, neko drugo družino si ustvariš tukaj.

ARMIN: Ko prideš sem, pač, vse pozabiš kaj je bilo doma, na šolo, pa tukaj se vse tako na novo zgodi.


URŠKA: Ko smo mi kupovali to letovišče je bilo to eno terasasto zemljišče, ki se je spuščalo do morja. Na tem zemljišču je bila ena zidana hiša v kateri je bila manjša kuhinja in pa toaletni prostori. Pa še ena lopa je bila zraven. Po pripovedih naj bi v tej lopi bival osel s katerim so pač tovorilo hrano v letovišče, ker dostopna pot ni bila urejena. Otroci pa so takrat potem bivali v takih velikih šotorih, trinajst šotorov je bilo in so se v bistvu na štirinajst dni potem menjavali. Takrat so bile štirinajstdnevne izmene še. Potem pa seveda Zveza je delala na tem, da se kvaliteta letovanj izboljšuje, vsako leto se je nekaj novega vložilo, počasi smo te šotore zamenjali za lesene hišice, kasneje za zidane objekte. Tako, da počasi je letovišče v bistvu dobivalo to obliko, kamor smo prišli danes.

NEJC: Šola je šola. Je res, da so tako umetno tam dani skupaj kakor tukaj, samo je čisto drugo okolje. In tudi mi jim lahko več ponudimo, če nismo v tistem okolju. In, kaj pa vem, kako bi to v bistvu opisal, no.

LIZA: Pač, menjava okolja je, ne.

NEJC: To je kar kompleksna zadeva, ne. LIZA: Ja. Se mi zdi, da tolik minimalna zadeva kot je, samo menjava okolja, pa precej spremeni, no. LIZA: Ja

LIZA: Tudi tako, v šoli se fulkrat v prvem razredu, oziroma v prvih parih letih se ustvarijo skupinice ali pa hierarhija tudi tam, med sošolci. In ko ti prideš nekam sem, v Pacug, na primer, pa si na novo, pa si pač z drugimi, ko se ne poznaš, pa se moraš na novo spoznati, se lahko ful drugače v bistvu tudi sam sebe predstaviš. In ful vidiš, da se otroci mogoče tudi bolj sprostijo, bolj razživijo. Zaradi tega, ker niso porinjeni v neko vlogo, ki so si jo določili, ko so bili v prvem razredu s sošolci, ne. Pa je nekdo tam avtomatično prevzel vlogo liderja, ne, ki pa mogoče tukaj malo bolj v izi vzame. Ali pa nekdo, ki pa je ravno kontra. Jaz sem bila tako, na primer. V šoli sem se, pač, ful nazaj držala, tukaj sem bila pa vsepovsod, se mi zdi.

DARJA: Vsi otroci imajo pravico imeti enak možnosti za svoj razvoj. In to v tem času kapitalizma, potrošniške družbe pogosto pozabljamo. In vse pravzaprav prepuščamo trgu. Jaz mislim, da bi tukaj tudi šola lahko storila mnogo več, kot stori. Kajti dejstvo je, da so le malo kje in maloštevilne izven šolske dejavnosti brezplačne. In ko niso več brezplačne, seveda, se takoj postavi vprašanje ali družina lahko to privošči svojemu otroku ali ne. To je spet nekaj, kar je bilo v času socializma mnogo bolje urejeno, kot je urejeno danes. Žal je tako in s tem se dela velika škoda. In se naša družba še dodatno razslojuje. Kar je škodljivo, ne samo za vse rodove, ki rastejo in se razvijajo tukaj in zdaj. Ampak tudi za vse nas, odrasle.

URŠKA: Poleg vsega pa se morajo, v bistvu so primorani se spuščati v empatijo. Tudi to je ena od stvari, ki je mogoče malce poniknila, bom rekla. Ni izginila, mi jo poskušamo spet vzpodbuditi nazaj. Veliko imamo recimo delavnic, kjer se otroci pogovarjajo. Debatnih delavnic. In to je sigurno

nekaj, kar jih krepi za naprej. Sprejemanje drugih, sprejemanje drugačnosti… V bistvu se vklopit v skupino, sklepat nova prijateljstva… Velikokrat ta prijateljstva potem tudi ostajajo, a ne. Zaljubit se, recimo, ne. Razvijajo se vrednote, sigurno, ne. Veliko morajo otroci funkcionirati med sabo, ne. Ja, opažamo zadnja leta tudi to, da prihajajo iz raznih okolij, kjer je recimo tudi fizično ali pa psihično nasilje… Seveda se oni tega niti ne zavedajo, ne. Ampak, ko se pač to enkrat v letovišču odpre, tudi drugi otroci spoznajo, ne, da ni tako enostavno. Ker jaz vedno pravim, za vsakim obnašanjem je neka zgodba zadaj, ne. Otrok pač s svojim obnašanjem samo kaže, kaj se mu dogaja. Oni niso krivi, če ne znajo drugače odreagirati. In na letovanju sigurno pride do tega, da je nek trenutek, ko tudi ostali otroci pač rečejo, lej, to pa ni prav, ne. Dajmo probati drugače. Meni se zdi, da ta letovanje, res, ti dajo neko podlago za življenje, ne. Ampak tako, res življenjsko, ne. Ni to zdaj neko znanje, pa nekaj s čimer boš ti, pač, pridobil službo, ne… Ampak nekaj, s čimer boš ti imel kvalitetno življenje.

FLORES: Jaz se načeloma sploh ne razumem s svojimi sošolci, zato ker jih pač vidiš vsak dan in ko pridem sem, je tako čisto drugače vse. Imam tudi ljudi, ki pač z mano hodijo že od samega začetka. In tudi, če se mi čez celo leto ne pogovarjamo, ne družimo, ne hodimo ven zaradi … ARMIN: šole, treningov… … ja, tudi starostne razlike, pač prideš sem in sem z njimi, tako, kot, da si bil vsak dan skupaj, oziroma tko… ARMIN: Ja… … razumejo te, ja…

URŠKA: Pri nas imajo enako možnosti. Ne glede na to, iz kakšnih razmer prihajajo. Cena je za vse enaka. Vsi dobijo enako ponudbo. Vsi imajo enake možnosti. Definitivno bomo delali na tem, da na tem tudi ostanemo. Nam pač ni pomembno to, da imamo profit, pomembno nam je to, da pač, kar je namenjeno za amortizacijo letovišča, bom rekla, tudi gre nazaj v letovišče. Se pravi, da se izboljšuje kvaliteta bivanja v letovišču. In to je v bistvu naš finančni plan. Zato tudi cena že vrsto let ostaja enaka. Kljub vsemu, da se vse druge cene pri nas dvigujejo v Sloveniji, ne. Mi kar še ostajamo. Probal bomo, dokler bo šlo. Upajmo, da čim dlje.

DARJA: Mi seveda zbiramo denar preko akcije Pomežik soncu. Preko te akcije smo, na primer, v dvajsetih letih brezplačno peljali na morje blizu 10000 otrok. To je pa zelo lepa številka. Moram pa pri tem omeniti tudi t. i. zdravstvena letovanja, to se pravi tista letovanja, ki jih omogoči država. Moram reči, da tukaj bi država lahko imela več posluha za to. In tudi omogočila otrokom, da gredo na morje iz preventivnih razlogov. Jaz mislim, da bi bilo to zelo koristno. In da bi tudi država s tem dokazala, da ji je mar za otroke. In mi od tega cilja ne bomo odstopili. Upamo pa, da nam bodo vsaj nekoliko bolj prisluhnili.

URŠKA: Rekla bi tako, da je treba iz vsakega sistema vzeti tisto, kar je najboljše in to potem vleč naprej. Sigurno je pač že sam nastanek Zveze v teh davnih obdobjih je nastal iz samega ljudstva. In to je treba vleč naprej. Mi smo tisti, ki pač delamo, da se imajo otroci lepo. Vlečemo naprej tisto, kar je bilo dobro in morda, se zato včasih zdi, ja, kot da smo en otoček, pač tam ob morju, čisto zase, čeprav smo na kopnem, še tako lepo okolico imamo in smo umaknjeni in res zgleda, kot, da bi obstali v času, no. Mogoče zaradi tega, ker so naši cilji zelo jasno postavljeni. Se pravi, samo kvaliteta prostega časa otrok. Včasih pozabljamo na te, najbolj pomembne. Se pravi pogovor, igra, se v bistvu ukvarjat en z drugim, namenit čas otrok otroku ali pa vzgojitelj otroku. To so te stvari… ja, to je tisto, ko smo obstal v času. Se mi zdi, da se to res vleče iz tiste dobe socializma in mislim, da je to tista stvar, ki jo moramo obdržat. Definitivno.

LIZA: Ja, jaz bi tudi tako rekla. Ravno par dni nazaj smo se mi vzgojitelji pogovarjali… Pa sem povedala, pač… Jaz, ko sem bila majhna, sem imela tako dosti problemov psihičnih in sem bila tudi na samomorilnem vedenju in takšne stvari… In sem kar par let imela… samo do Pacuga je treba zdržat. Samo do Pacuga. Smo štele dneve, koliko še imamo do Pacuga. In sem pač samo vesela,

da sem se toliko potegnila iz tega, do mojega zadnjega leta tukaj kot otrok, da mi potem ni bilo treba več šteti samo do Pacuga… Ampak čeprav sem zdaj tudi skoz tukaj, kolikor se da, sem zdaj tukaj. Pa tudi še računam, da bom tudi še kar dolgo ostala. Tako kot Nejc. Pa tudi za otroke, no, se mi zdi da, pač, da jim ful pomeni, da so lahko tukaj, pa da so z neko družbo, da spoznajo nove ljudi, pa take stvari. Malo druge stvari se jim dogajajo, pa malo se zamotijo od stvari, ki se dogajajo, pač, drugače v življenju. Pa tudi tako imajo priložnost, da se malo povežejo, odprejo, malo razbremenijo, no.

URŠKA: Zveza bo sigurno delala na tem, da letovanja in pa samo letovišče Pacug, da je v nedogled namenjen za otroke. To je res en majhen košček obale… Mi smo v bistvu kar dosti veseli, da smo tako odmaknjeni, ker ravno zaradi tega lahko otrokom vse te stvari omogočamo. In sigurno bomo delali na tem, da letovišče ostaja še dolgo, dolgo. Upam, da še dolgo za mano. Je pa res, slovenska obala je majhna, apetiti so veliki… Ampak mi branimo letovišče z vsemi štirimi.

ARMIN: Pač, Pacug je… To je tako. Celo leto si ti v šoli in tko potem, ko so počitnice poletne, ti samo čakaš teh deset dni, FLORES: Ja. da si v Pacugu. Pač, saj tudi kdaj med šolo greš tako ven, pa to, ampak ni isto kot tistih deset dni, ko si cel čas skupaj. To je pač… Šit FLORES: Zadnje leto, a… Ja.

KLEMEN: Otroško letovišče Pacug, do katerega vodi ozka in nadvse strma pot po kateri otroci od glavne ceste še danes pridejo peš, ker je pač za avtobus prestrma, ostaja nekje v prostoru in času. Varno ujet v zarezi klifa pa kot upornik z razlogom kljubuje menjavanju družbenih sistemov. In prav je tako. So stvari, ki se ne smejo nikoli spremeniti. Ker so preprosto splošno dobre in preveč človeške. Vsa poletja tega letovišča in njegovih brezskrbnih otroštev, ki so že minila, ali pa šele pridejo, bodo v vzporednih časovnih svetovih za vedno ostala na njegovi obali in seveda v neizbrisljivih spominih in na kakšni že zdavnaj pozabljeni razglednici iz kolonije.

NEJC: To je super dediščina prejšnjega sistema. LIZA: Ja, res odlično. Če kje niso naredili napake, je niso na tem področju.

KLEMEN: Radio Slovenija


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